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Interview with Gloria Naylor
Gloria Naylor is the author of four novels, including The Women
of Brewster Place, which was a Finalist for the 1983 National Book
Award; Linden Hills; Mama Day; and Bailey's Cafe.
Widely acclaimed for her vivid explorations of the experiences of
African-American women in the 1980s and 90s, Naylor has explained that
she decided to become a writer "because I felt that my presence as a
black woman and my perspective as a woman in general had been
unrepresented in American literature." After working as a missionary,
she studied literature at Brooklyn College and Yale University, where
she earned her M.A. in 1983, the same year that The Women of
Brewster Place was published.
The novel, which details the shared oppressions and strengths of seven
black women, grew out of Naylor's desire to reflect the diversity of
the black female experience in America -- a diversity, she believed,
that neither the black nor the white critical establishment had yet
recognized. In her review of the novel, Deirdre Donahue observed that
Naylor "is not afraid to grapple with life's big subjects: sex, birth,
love, death, grief. Her women feel deeply, and she unflinchingly
transcribes their emotions...Vibrating and undisguised emotion, The
Women of Brewster Place springs from the same roots that produced
the blues. Like them, her book sings of sorrows proudly borne by black
women in America."
How did you become interested in writing?
I had the good luck to be born into the kind of family where the
association was made very early with books. My mother made the library
a very accessible place for my sisters and me; she told us, "Once you
can print your name, you can get a library card and all of these books
can be yours for two weeks." Being a dreamer, the library became a
refuge for me, in a sense, from the world at large. I began with the
"A's" in the children's section and simply read my way through to the
"Z's." I read indiscriminately around the house too, until I was about
12 or 13, when my teachers began to direct my reading and introduced me
to the English classics.
I was a shy child and rarely spoke, so my mother gave me a diary when I
was about 12 years old and told me that since I had a hard time talking
about my feelings, I should put my thoughts down on paper. I started
associating the written word with the unspoken emotion, and my writing
began there. At first I simply wrote down my own thoughts, because you
first have to feel that you have a voice before you go on. That book
she bought me in Woolworth's got filled up in about three months. Then
I used the extra paper in the back of my loose-leaf, and began
"Twilight Zone"-type vignettes -- that was a new television series in
those years -- because that kind of "other reality" always appealed to
me.
How did you come to write The Women of Brewster
Place?
The novel began with my using, in an odd way, the sort of confessional
writing that I began with in my diary. I was going to Brooklyn College
at that point, and because of a relationship, I was going through a
personal moment of pain; I just felt I was going to die. So I said to
myself, what could make another woman hurt the way I'm hurting? That's
when I invented "Lucielia" Louise Turner. It wasn't my situation, but I
imagined a woman who loses her husband, loses her unborn child and
loses her toddler. I imagined the funeral of her two-year-old and
imagined what "Lucielia" was like after that -- simply giving up her
life, an odd kind of suicide -- and I created for this woman what I
wanted for myself at that moment: a sort of earth mother to kick down
the door and take me in her arms and rock me. And I wrote the thing
seamlessly and cried. Then I forgot about it, to be honest, because it
was like a fictive journal entry, until I pulled it out for a creative
writing course. The idea hit me slowly that maybe I could write about
other women.
How did you go about creating the other characters who populate the
novel?
I wanted to write a book that would reflect the diversity and the
richness of the black female experience in America -- and no one woman
could do that for me, and no one geographical location could do that
for me. That's when the idea got born that Brewster Place would be a
microcosm of American society, that on that street would come all of
these different women, and what they would share would be that wall. I
varied the characters as much as I possibly could. I varied their skin
color -- they move from alabaster to ebony -- varied their religious
beliefs, their political beliefs, their social classes. As they grew,
of course, they developed snatches of the personalities of people I
have known. That's inevitable. One of the characters has the name of my
grandmother, "Lucielia", and one has the name of a favorite great-aunt,
"Mae Johnson".
To what extent were you interested in writing a novel about
families?
I myself am from a very large extended family and a very close nuclear
family; the family unit was a real part of my shaping. I think that
when it works right, the family is one of the better inventions of
mankind. Although that was not my main text, it was definitely a
subtext. There's a whole strata of families in this novel, I think. One
is the family that encompasses the block, another is this family of
women who are neighbors. Then there are non-conventional families like
Lorraine and Theresa; nuclear families in trouble like "Ciel's"; and
single parent families like "Cora Lee's". In her case I wanted to
broaden the myopic view that we often have of why unmarried women like
"Cora Lee" continue to have babies. I wanted to show how we
indoctrinate little girls very early with baby dolls, and take this
kind of bucolic Christmas setting and turn it into a nightmare.
How did you hope the structure of the novel would reinforce your
themes?
I wanted the structure to help readers understand that women have
always served as a support system for other women, either helping them
through physical or psychic danger. But even within a community of
women, we can have biases and prejudices. You see that entire structure
break down when the lesbians, "Lorraine" and "Theresa", come into the
story. Theirs is the only chapter without a specific name; just "The
Two." And that was done consciously, to say that what we fear and don't
understand we tend to depersonalize. People often use words that are
meant to be adjectives -- like "homeless" or "black" -- and turn them
into nouns. Often, gay women have thought that I was making some
comment about lesbianism because a lesbian is raped in the novel, but I
hope it is painfully clear that she's raped because she's a woman, not
because she's a lesbian.
At what point did you determine that this first novel would
introduce a quartet of interrelated novels?
That happened while I was finishing up Brewster Place. I still
have that old notebook from Brooklyn College where I wrote snatches of
sentences for the next book, Linden Hills. I was determined not
to be a one-book writer. It had happened too often in the
African-American literary tradition, and I could see why; so I said to
myself that I would write these four novels and think of them as a
base, and then go on and build a career. I had to refer to myself
publicly as a writer, or else people would have thought I was crazy,
but inside, for ten years, I felt as if I was just arriving. The beauty
for me was when Bailey's Cafe got published and the quartet was
done, and I said, wow, now I'm a writer; now it can't be taken away.
To what extent have you been influenced by the African-American
literary tradition?
It would have been impossible for me to have been a writer without
that, because I would have had no story to tell. I like to say that I
cut my teeth on the English classics, because I learned the power of
language early on, learned that a novel should tell a story, and
learned that passion is acceptable. But in all of my early reading, I
was never given anything to read that had been written by black
Americans, and I believed for years that black people didn't write
books. No one ever said that to me -- as a matter of fact, in 1950, the
same year I was born, Gwendolyn Brooks won the Pulitzer Prize -- but
books by black authors weren't on my high school curriculum and their
books weren't in my library. I read nothing that reflected me.
It wasn't until much later, when I was in college, that I discovered
the rich literary heritage of African-Americans and discovered what I
had not had in the previous twenty-something years of my life. But
ironically, at Brooklyn College in those years the work of black women
writers wasn't taught, not even in the African-American literature
courses. So I discovered Toni Morrison and Alice Walker and Ntozake
Shange myself. Then I got into the room where I belonged, with all of
these foremothers, and I said, well, maybe I can tell my story too.
In researching for this Study Guide the critical response to your
work, I was struck over and again by an underlying assumption that your
goal as a writer must necessarly be to illuminate the entire African
American experience. Is that reaction commonplace?
To tell his or her story is the desire of any artist. But some critics
still look at the artistic creation of an African-American for some
social statement, and that will remain almost inevitable as long as the
very idea of being black -- or being white -- is a political statement
in America. That's what I embody with my history, just walking on the
street, and maybe it's even asking too much of a critic to look beyond
that to see an artist plowing away. Also, what's universal is a belief
that white male literature is literature, so everything else has to
have an adjective attached to it: "women's" literature, "black"
literature, "Chicano" literature. It wasn't until 1985, when I
travelled to India with a United States Information Agency tour, that I
realized that once I stepped outside this country, people saw me as an
American writer, not as a women's writer or a black writer. My
experience, in their eyes, was the American experience.
What matters most to you in conveying that experience?
I care about language -- I want my language to be beautiful -- and
about telling the truth as I see it with my characters' lives. I
believe these stories have been entrusted to me, and I want to present
my characters with the complexity of human beings. I believe that a lot
of the problems we have in our society can be eradicated -- and I have
seen them eradicated -- if people get to know other people and start
looking beyond the boxes we are so comfortable placing others in. It's
a sticky business, though, getting to know people.
Readers who want to learn more about Gloria Naylor are encouraged to
seek out some that books that have shaped her writing life:
The Bluest Eye, Toni Morrison
Jane Eyre, Charlotte Bronte
Memoirs of a Dutiful Daughter, Simone de Beauvoir
Native Son, Richard Wright
The Old Testament
Grimm's Fairy Tales
Macbeth and Romeo and Juliet, William Shakespeare
Bailey's Cafe (1992)
Mama Day (1989)
Linden Hills (1986)
The Women of Brewster Place (1983)
-- Interview by Diane Osen
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